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While the big news for Grizzlies fans this week is obviously Robert Pera becoming the team’s new owner, the question of whether or not Rudy Gay will be traded is still on the minds of many of us. Gay himself has claimed that he’s unhappy, and there’s a decent chance he’ll be shipped out of town in the coming weeks. While we’ve been talking about Gay trades for the past few weeks, one thing I’ve kept wondering is how many teams are better off at small forward than the Grizzlies currently are with Gay. Admittedly, there’s no guarantee he would be traded for another small forward, but it’s certainly an interesting thing to think about.

Which is why Gay was the perfect candidate to be the first subject of my new series, “(Grizzlies Player) Vs. the World,” in which I compare every Grizzlies starter to every other starter in the league who plays his position, seeing which players are definitely better, which are definitely worse, and where there could be some grey areas. So, without any further ado, let’s see where Rudy Gay ranks against the league’s other starting small forwards, starting with the rest of the Southwest division.

San Antonio Spurs – Kawhi Leonard
Leonard was one of the best rookies in the league this season, playing amazing defense, and making it very clear that he has a very bright future. He only averaged 9 points a game, but that was largely because the major scoring was still done by Parker, Ginobili, and Duncan. As of right now, I’d still rather have Rudy starting at the 3 spot, but that’s certainly subject to change.

The Verdict: Uncertain, but for now, not as good as Rudy.

Dallas Mavericks – Shawn Marion
Marion’s had a great career, and has a decent shot at becoming a Hall of Famer. With that said, he’s not the player he was in his prime, and his value will only continue to decrease in the coming year.

The Verdict: Much better than Rudy in his prime, nowhere near as good now.

Houston Rockets – Chandler Parsons
Another talented young dude, but not on the same level as Leonard. Parsons showed signs of potential greatness this season, but he has a long way to go. It’ll be interesting to see if Parsons makes a huge leap in his second season. As of right now, there’s no way of knowing if he has the potential to be a star on Gay’s level.

The verdict: Not as good as Rudy, or Kawhi Leonard for that matter, but he could definitely improve.

New Orleans Hornets – Trevor Ariza
Showed flashes of brilliance on the 08-09 Lakers, has been rather underwhelming since. Ariza is largely a situational sort of player – he can mean a lot to a good team, but he can’t make a team good. The arrival of Anthony Davis may give him a chance to thrive in the role-player-on-a-good-team spot once again. Or, they could take Kidd-Gilchrist, and Ariza would be in some serious trouble.

The Verdict: Definitely not as good as Rudy.

Pacific Division

Los Angeles Lakers – Metta World Peace
As he demonstrated later in the season, World Peace still has some value, but he’s not the guy he used to be. If you’re stacked with offensive players, and you just need a guy to play tight D, he’s a fine option. But you certainly don’t want him in a leading role.

The verdict: Not even close to Rudy, but probably a bit better in his prime.

Los Angeles Clippers – Caron Butler
Butler looked good at times during the past season, but it was also clear that he was past his prime. While he can heat up at any given moment, and is a solid three-point shooter, he’s not a particularly explosive guy at this point, and he can’t be a significant contributor on a regular basis. If only Rudy had been able to do a bit more against him (or Randy Foye, or Nick Young) in the playoffs. Oh well.

The Verdict: Once again, not as good as Rudy.

Phoenix Suns – Jared Dudley
One of the more underrated players in the league, Dudley has quietly gotten a bit better each year. While he’s not the elite player the Suns would’ve needed to push themselves into playoff contention, he’s obviously valuable, and on the right team, could make some huge contributions.

The verdict: Not as good as Rudy, but better than most people think.

Golden State Warriors – Dorell Wright
Another quietly efficient guy. His per game averages took a bit of a dip this season, but his win shares per 48 minutes actually went up slightly. Unfortunately, much like Dudley, he’s on a team that doesn’t have enough to contend, and he can only help them so much. His destiny is to be a clutch shooter on the second unit of a title contender. Hopefully, that will happen someday.

The verdict: Clearly not as good as Rudy.

Sacramento Kings – Tyreke Evans/John Salmons
This situation is a bit confusing. The team’s been trying to turn Evans into a small forward, but he hasn’t been able to match the success of his rookie year. Meanwhile, Salmons isn’t even close to being the player he was in 2010. A Gay-for-Evans trade could be interesting, but it would probably give the Grizzlies the same problem of not knowing what to do with Evans, unless he adapted to playing the three in the Grizzlies offense very quickly.

The verdict: Plenty of potential, but at this moment, I’d still prefer Rudy.

Northwest Division

Oklahoma City Thunder – Kevin Durant
Yeah, no reason to waste a lot of time on this. KD is the player we’re still hoping in vain for Rudy to turn into, and it’s getting less likely with each passing year. It often seems unfair to me that we blame him for not being able to produce on the level of the absolute best, but when you’re making the money that Rudy Gay is, that’s the price you have to pay.

The verdict: Considerably better than Rudy.

Denver Nuggets – Danilo Gallinari
A fun player to watch, and at times, one of the more frightening shooters in the league. Considering the Grizzlies glaring need for offense in the Clippers series, I can’t help but wonder if he’d be a good fit for Memphis. A Gallo-for-Rudy trade could be mutually beneficial – it would give the Nuggets the leader they need, and it would give the Grizzlies a solid offensive player who isn’t as hung up on needing the ball all the time as Gay often is.

The verdict: Rudy is probably a slightly better player, but Gallinari might make more sense for the Grizzlies.

Utah Jazz – Gordon Hayward
Took a big leap forward this past season, going from a potential bust, to a reasonably valuable player. Hayward was often able to hit shots in key situations/. Whether or not he can make another leap forward this year will determine if he’s destined to hang out in the Jared Dudley/Dorell Wright group, or if he can become a legitimate star.

The verdict: Not as good as Rudy, but check back in a year.

Portland Trailblazers – Nicolas Batum/J.J. Hickson
Another team with a bit confusion at this position. Batum is ridiculously underrated, and always seems to provide more value than anyone notices. Meanwhile, Hickson thrived while playing 4, but he’s certainly a legitimate option at the 3 as well. It was encouraging to see him finally live up to his potential after the Kings traded him to Portland. Since the team already has an elite power forward to Lamarcus Aldridge, the Blazers may be forced to deal with the problem of two legitimate small forwards. A problem I’m sure most teams would be fine with.

The verdict: Neither are as good as Rudy, but in the right situation, both could be extremely valuable.

Minnesota Timberwolves – Wesley Johnson
Easily the worst small forward in the league, and a bust if there ever was one. I’m guessing Johnson will be struggling to get minutes next season, as either Derrick Williams or Michael Beasley are much better options at the 3 spot.

The verdict: It’s almost hard to complain about Rudy Gay when you remember than some poor fanbase had to watch Wesley Johnson start 64 games last season.

Eastern Conference

Atlantic Division

Boston Celtics – Paul Pierce
One of the best players of all-time, and he was still great this season. Somehow, age hasn’t caught up to Pierce yet, as he is still putting up almost 20 a game, and sinking key shots. You’d rather have Gay in the long run, but for a team looking for a temporary solution, Pierce could be quite intriguing. Considering Pierce almost went to the Nets, a trade isn’t out of the realm of possibility. Could the Grizzlies be involved? It’ll be fun to find out.

The verdict: Much better than Rudy historically, and probably still a bit better now.

New York Knicks – Carmelo Anthony
It was a rough start for Melo this year, but once he got into shape, he looked as good as ever. Much like Gay, Melo demands the ball and many of his teams’ possessions tend to be isolation plays that revolve around him. Unlike Gay, he’s a bit better at justifying it, even if it can still be detrimental at times.

The verdict: clearly better than Rudy, even when he was out of shape.

Philadelphia 76ers – Andre Iguodala
Ah, now here’s a fun one! One the best defensive small forwards in the game, and he’s capable of contributing on offense, too. basically, as much of a well-rounded player as you can ask for, even if you may not want him as the centerpiece of your franchise. A Gay-for-Iguodala trade might be interesting, but I’d be mildly concerned since this team struggled with offense already. Replacing Gay with a forward who typically scores less could backfire, although it would certainly strengthen their defensive-minded identity.

The verdict: Probably about even, it all depends on what you’re looking for. Maybe a slight edge to Iguodala since he was an all-star this year.

Toronto Raptors – James Johnson
Johnson’s numbers are pretty underwhelming. I’m tempted to give him a pass because he's young, but really, does anyone expect this guy to turn into anything special in the future. He’s not horrible, but he doesn’t do much, and he illustrates the lack of depth that keeps Toronto from contention.

The verdict: Obviously not even close to Rudy.

Brooklyn Nets – Gerald Wallace
Since Wallace is a free agent, we can’t say for sure if he’ll even stick around, but if he does, he’ll be one of the Nets best players. A solid player on offense and defense, and, for what it’s worth, the best Charlotte Bobcat of all-time. I do wonder if Wallace would be a good fit for the Grizzlies. He’s a solid all-around player who can thrive as a leader or a follower. Would the Nets be interested in a sign-and trade for Rudy?

The verdict: Maybe slightly worse than Rudy, even more so do to age, but in the right system, he can be very valuable.

Central Division

Chicago Bulls – Luol Deng
I sort of feel like I could just copy and paste what I said about Iguodala. I mean, they have pretty similar skill sets. Deng is the type of player who can be a leader in the locker room, without needing to have everything on the court to revolve around him. He’d be interesting on the Grizzlies, although I don’t if he’d able to match Gay’s offensive output.

The verdict: As with Iggy, it’s about even. All depends on what you’re looking for.

Indiana Pacers – Danny Granger
Ummm…well…he’s pretty much Gay’s doppelgänger, isn’t he. I mean they’re both solid scorers who lack the ability to be the absolute leaders their fanbases might want them to be. A Rudy-for-Granger trade would shake things up, but I doubt it would actually change the fortunes of either team all that much.

The verdict: About a dead heat.

Milwaukee Bucks – Carlos Delfino
Obviously not the centerpiece of any offense, but his solid D makes him reasonably valuable. Like many players on the lower end on this list, I feel like his destiny is to be a role player on a contender. Unfortunately, unless Monta Ellis suddenly becomes efficient, or Brandon Jennings makes a giant leap, that won’t be happening in Milwaukee.

The verdict: Not even close to Rudy.

Detroit Pistons – Tayshaun Prince
If only it was still 2005. Yes, Prince is in the downswing of his career, but at least he has a ring and some very solid seasons to show for it. Perhaps he should follow the lead of former teammate Richard Hamilton, and join a team that’s already built to win a title, and just needs one more legitimate scorer. He’d be good off the bench for the Grizzlies, but there’s no way you give up Rudy for him, unless you’re getting something else of value as well.

The verdict: Not as good as Rudy at this point, but in his prime, it was close.

Cleveland Cavaliers – Omri Casspi
A capable contributor, but certainly nothing special. Casspi’s biggest problem is that he’s been trapped on bad teams, so his mediocrity stands out more. Like so many mediocre small forwards – especially in the East, he’s the type of player who would work as a role player, but becomes a starter simply because his team isn’t very deep.

The verdict: Vastly inferior to Rudy.

Southeast Division

Miami Heat – Lebron James
Not much to say here, I mean it’s Lebron we’re talking about, he might be the best small forward EVER. Even if Durant beats him these finals, he still probably has more raw talent. Yeah, I wish we’d won the ’03 lottery, too.

The verdict: Better than Rudy, better than everyone.

Atlanta Hawks – Marvin Williams
It’s unfair how much of a bad rap this guy gets. Sure, the Hawks screwed up when they took Williams over Chris Paul, but that’s not his fault. A legitimate contributor who’s been starting on a playoff team for 5 straight years now. Even if he’s not what the Hawks might have wanted him to be, he’s still pretty solid.

The verdict: Not as good as Rudy, but better than you think.

Washington Wizards – Trevor Booker
A likeable guy who quietly played very well on one of the league’s worst teams last year. Has the potential to evolve into a star, or at the very least, to become an extremely valuable role player. If the Wizards become a decent team soon, he’ll likely be one of the bigger reasons why.

The verdict: Not as good as Rudy, but give him time.

Orlando Magic – Hedo Turkoglu
A few years ago, he was extremely valuable, but his play fell of rather quickly, and still hasn’t recovered. A solid three point-threat, but at this point, Hedo is only useful as a role player. I’m guessing if the magic could redo things, they wouldn’t have traded to get him back, especially since they gave up Marcin Gortat, who has turned into an elite center.

The verdict: Not even close to Rudy.

Charlotte Bobcats – Corey Maggette/Tyrus Thomas
Eh, well, just about this whole team was horrible, but there was definitely a black hole at the 3 spot, with Maggette beyond washed up, and Thomas once again being nowhere near his potential. At least these guys are probably gonna get Kidd-Gilchrist.

The verdict: Not even close to Rudy, and frankly, just thinking about this team makes me feel good about being a Grizzlies fan.

So, there you go. Rudy Gay is one of the better small forwards int he game, and probably the second best in the Western Conference. Players like Deng and Iguodala are relatively close to him, but only the absolute best in the league (Lebron, Durant, Melo, Pierce) can truly surpass him. Could trading him still be a good idea? Sure, but only if the Grizzlies can get a truly valuable player, or players, in return.

Coming up next: Zach Randolph Vs. the World!

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37 Responses to Rudy Gay Vs. The World

  1. JoeNo Gravatar says:

    Great article and idea, I look forward to these in the coming days. ESPN has an article saying us and the 76ers swapping picks in the 1st round and Iggy for Gay could be beneficial. We would need a heck of a scorer off the bench, but Iggy and Allen would shut down a vast majority of the West with their defense, and if we think Z-Bo will be serviceable/about his old self, we’re supposed to be an inside/out offensive team any way.

  2. kasdNo Gravatar says:

    When did Gay say he was unhappy? Recently? Because if it was after the season ended I’m now 100% behind moving him!!! He is prob. the 3rd best player on our team, never been an all-star, never made it out of 1st rnd of the playoffs, is wastly overpaid…..and HE is the one who is unhappy??? c’mon man………

    (great idea for the article though)

    • AlanNo Gravatar says:

      Yes I agree with EVERYTHING you just said. I’m am so hoping that they trade this bum. He is WAY overrated and I really hope we get rid of him as soon as possible. Trade him for a lottery pick and a good bench player to make cap room to resign Mayo. PLEASE TRADE RUDY! I want to start a “Trade Rudy Gay” Petition. I think every Grizzlies fan would sign it!I’d sign it twice!

  3. presidentjoeNo Gravatar says:

    Great article. The thing is that he is the most marketable player on the team to do a trade and would give them several good assets in return which when taken altogether would be better than Rudy. I think having a better SG and a defensive minded SF would be better for this team.

  4. KosackNo Gravatar says:

    Good article. Rudy definitely is quite a talent. If he was on a more reasonable contract he’d be a nonissue. Hopefully if we move him it’ll be a player and a pick.

  5. JoelNo Gravatar says:

    Loved the article. I love Rudy, but I am a die hard fan, and in my eyes, unless proven otherwise, I give EVERY Grizz player the benifit of the doubt. that being said, a deal involving Iggy and some other assets/and or a pick would be a pretty good deal. Iggy lacks in the 3 point dept, but his athleticism and his abilty to get to the rim impress. But honestly, I LOVE Danilo Gallinari, I watched him when he was in Italy, I followed when he got drafted, and when he went to the nuggets. He is 2 years younger than rudy, 2 inches taller, and has a better 3 point% and better freethrow%. I dont know how we would work out the deal for Danillo, but man having him would be awesome.

  6. Steve'sNo Gravatar says:

    I disagree with your assessment of a lot of the other players. Andre iguodala is much better than Gay, as are Batum, kawhi Leonard, Danny green and so on. Rudy suffers from poor offensive efficiency and sub par defense. An over-rated player. Conley, gasol, Randolph and Allen are all more valuable than gay.

    Ship his arse out Pera.

  7. JoeNo Gravatar says:

    Leading scorers in the NBA for the 2011-2012 season-

    1. Kevin Durant , OKC

    2. Kobe Bryant , LAL

    3. LeBron James , MIA

    4. Kevin Love , MIN

    5. Russell Westbrook , OKC

    6. Carmelo Anthony , NYK

    7. Dwyane Wade , MIA

    8. Derrick Rose , CHI

    9. LaMarcus Aldridge , POR

    10. Dirk Nowitzki , DAL

    11. Deron Williams , NJN

    12. Blake Griffin , LAC

    13. Dwight Howard , ORL

    14. Eric Gordon , NOH

    15. Monta Ellis , MIL-GSW

    16. David Lee , GSW

    17. Chris Paul , LAC

    18. Andrea Bargnani , TOR

    19. Paul Pierce , BOS

    20. Brook Lopez , NJN

    21. Al Jefferson , UTA

    22. Brandon Jennings , MIL

    23. Rudy Gay , MEM

    Aside from Boston wanting to possibly start from scratch around Rondo and do a Gay for Pierce straight up swap, which of those 22 guys would either A. Fit into our scheme or B. even be available. Rudy’s probably a top 30 player in the league; if we can’t get value back for him, we need to keep him. A guy like Z-Bo could possibly get us a draft pick and/or a 6th man scorer to replace O.J. We could use our new flexibility in cap space to resign both Darrell and Mo.

  8. ChrisNo Gravatar says:

    Great concept for an off-season series of articles! May I suggest bringing salaries into the analysis (or, at least, mentioning them)? For instance, I agree with your assessment of Kawhi Leonard and Dorrell Wright (good, but not as good as Rudy). However when you add in the component of salary, Leonard for 3yrs at $1.7 lets San Antonio do A LOT more in other areas of need than would Rudy’s 3 at $15.0. And at first you might say the same about Wright but with 1 yr left on a $3.8 contract his number is about to go up anyway, so in that case Rudy would probably still get the nod. Either way, I really like the concept of this series!

  9. OinkyNo Gravatar says:

    Rudy Gay unhappy? Thanks for starting my day out with a laugh.

  10. btrautscNo Gravatar says:

    Love the article concept. Disagree with some of the verdicts – as I see the upswing of guys like Hayward & Parsons moving up quickly and Paul Pierce moving down. How did Josh Smith not make the list? He is effectively a 3/4 – but fits into almost the exact same paradigm as Iggy..

    I still think the Grizz should be looking to land a top 10 pick & improve either the bench or SG position with a Rudy trade. Yes, it is his contract. Yes, it is his attitude. Yes, it is his failure (on the surface) to be a leader.

    Even with those negatives, quite a few teams would be willing to give up a lot of assets to grab him. Cash rich teams: Nets, Mavs, ORL, BOS. Up and Coming teams: GS, TOR.

    It just makes good sense at this point in the franchise to recalibrate our lineup. We’ve got better than solid players at 3 starting positions. We can add serious depth and long term assets. And in this draft there are probably 4-6 franchise changers.

    That’s it.

  11. ReginaldNo Gravatar says:

    Trade Rudy for #2 pick and Augustin and I’m all in. If not, Gallinari and Andre Miller. If you’re not going to get better quality in the quantity, you don’t trade Rudy.

    • JoelNo Gravatar says:

      Danillo and Aaron afflalo, instead of going for andre miller. Miller is 36, I think we should go for younger players, instead of players who are about to retire. Build for a long term run, instead of bringing in “Proven vets” we wont do well if we keep picking up older players. Afflalo would be a nice replacement for OJ, and he is a better 3 point shooter

  12. PatrickNo Gravatar says:

    Keep Paul Pierce and his pre-pubescent beard out of any discussion of playing for my grizzlies. He’s on the decline and will demand huge money. NO NO NO god no.

    • StevedNo Gravatar says:

      Completely agree. Pierce is an even more inefficient scorer than Rudy.

      • JoeNo Gravatar says:

        I agree, you’re helping make my point. I believe Rudy is more valuable as a Grizzly. I believe that a declining piece such as a Zach Randolph is a better move. OR, you stick with it one more season and see if ‘the core” can get it done when fully healthy. If we’re 20-20 heading into February, make a move.

      • kasdNo Gravatar says:

        wrong! Pierce and Rudy stats for 2011-12

        Paul 19.4 PPG Rudy 19.0 PPG
        4.5 APG 2.3 APG
        5.2 RPG 6.4 RPG

        So despite being 9 years younger, taller and waaaaay more athletic than Pierce….well you see….

        Trade RUDY!!!!!

  13. kasdNo Gravatar says:

    What’s shocking to me, and what this article clearly illustrates, is that if we could, in theory, straight up swap Rudy for most of these guys we could remain just as competitive as with him. Swap Rudy for Kawhi Leonard, Tyreke Evans, Kevin Durant, Danilo Gallinari, Gordon Hayward, Nicolas Batum, Paul Pierce, Carmelo Anthony, Andre Iguodala, Gerald Wallace, Luol Deng, Danny Granger, Lebron and even some of the not so obvious ones like Chandler Parsons, Trevor Ariza, Caron Butler, Jared Dudley, Dorell Wright, Tayshaun Prince, Marvin Williams and do we really get worse as a team? I don’t think so!! I think this is the key…..its still a TEAM game!!!! Rudy may be better than a lot of these guys INDIVIDUALLY but the Grizzlies are gonna be fine if we trade him because the Grizzlies are a good TEAM w/ or w/o him. At the SF position there is really only one guy in the NBA that makes his teammates better ….Lebron. Rudy is a solid scorer at a position that is filled with young, up and coming talent. Just look at the draft (Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Perry Jones III, Harrison Barnes, Terrence Jones, Jeffery Taylor, Moe Harkless, Draymond Green) all potential first round SFs. Make a move Grizz!!!!

  14. presidentjoeNo Gravatar says:

    Think this will come down to who the owner will be in August. If it is still heisley then Rudy isnt going anywhere. Heisley isnt going to do anything to diminish the price of the team. If it is pera then there may be a chance.

  15. GrizzdocNo Gravatar says:

    I really am tired of all of this talk about trading Gay. I mean seriously, the guy just played in his first postseason EVER–how can we be so hard on him? How many games has he single handedly won for us over the years? What good is our inside game if we don’t have a legitimate scorer on the outside who can get the dish when our bigs are double teamed?

    We have not had an extended run of Gay-ZBo-Gasol-Conley when they are all healthy and matured. Despite Zbo’s injury, we had the best winning percentage in our history, and Gay played a big role in that. We just had one bad playoff series, and while Gay wasn’t great, nobody else was either–most notably coach Hollins. I find it surprising and markedly short sighted of anyone who is willing to condemn and ship Gay based on his performance in his first ever playoff series. He WILL get better because of what he went through, and I for one would like to be there when Gay does come through.

    Honestly–so many bandwagon fans out there. As outlined in this post, there are SO few players who are better than Gay that we could realistically acquire. Like they always say, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it…

    • ScottNo Gravatar says:

      The issue is not Gay’s ability and the decision is not basketball related. Remember during the lockout? How many times did we hear this is a business? The issue of trading Gay is a dollars and cents situation. Keeping him and not going in to the luxury tax means – barring a Jeremy Lin discovery – the Grizzlies have peaked and could possibly get worse if they don’t resign key free agents.

      3 max salaries on a small market team with an owner unwilling to go in to the luxury tax creates a ceiling which the Grizzlis are currently pressing in to.

      Like it or not, it is reality.

  16. presidentjoeNo Gravatar says:

    If Charlotte offers the two pick– most likely Thomas Robinson–and other assets for Rudy you gotta make that trade! Rudy is as he is gonna get. They could draft Draymon green to replace him and have someone really good AND Robinson to be the future PF.

  17. PeytonTNo Gravatar says:

    I am 50/50 about trading Gay. We still haven’t seen how the team will perform with him and Z-Bo healthy for a whole season. Maybe they can mesh. I assume if we trade him, he will fit in elsewhere, and torch us ala Kyle Lowry every time we play them. Even so, his contract has our roster crippled.

  18. PeytonTNo Gravatar says:

    I really don’t count it because that was the pre-playoff grizz… No Tony Allen, and I believe DA was out that season too, it was just a different team and style; different expectations.

  19. PeytonTNo Gravatar says:

    And I’m pretty sure that Marc Gasol was a fatty, too.

  20. RfoxNo Gravatar says:

    interesting read. Thanks for it.

    I’m on the trade Rudy bandwagon. Not because I don’t like the guy as a player but because I think the goal isn’t to get into the playoffs again next year or the year after but to see if the Grizzlies can get into the Finals. That means getting past the Thunder and Spurs and the emerging Clippers and Nuggets (not to mention that if the lakers can deal bynam or Gasol or if the mavericks can get deron williams and so forth). Someone on the roster has to step up to the next level. At this point I think Gasol has some growth left – probably enough to fill in the low post areas that Zach is going to slowly be losing with age and conditioning – but that’s about it. Everyone else is ‘good’ or ‘decent to good’ (Conley and Allen for instance).

    Rudy is what he is going to be – he’s good. that’s not a bad thing obviously but we have to have a Great player and Zach has probably seen the last of those days.

    So the point of trading Rudy is twofold – get a guy that might be a star (because you aren’t going to trade for a real great player straight up) AND free up money to sign a solid free agent like Nic Batum.

    So consider the Evans trade – we get a 2 guard that can play the 1 when Conley is out and provide a slasher low post scoring option with the 2nd team (and thus we can let the young pg’s sort themselves out over the season). He ‘might’ be able to make the step, he’s very young and in the right system maybe he can flourish. He’s certainly better than Mayo.

    If the trade is for Evans and their pick – then we can use the pick to get a nice player that can shoot and the money from Gay’s salary to get a quality replacement at the small forward slot.

    if we trade Gay for augustin and the bobcat’s pick we get Gilchrist or whomever to be the new 2 guard and hope he makes the step PLUS we use the salary savings to sign Batum. that move addresses the needs of the team and gives more ceiling.

    lotta options but Gay has the best chance to bring back the player that might be able to make the step while saving us enough money to sign a free agent that is 90% of what rudy is for half the price.

  21. KyleNo Gravatar says:

    Wow you all are really harsh… We don’t make it as far in the playoffs and it is all Rudy’s fault… Let’s not mention the fact that Hollis messed with the lineups right before the tournament, nor the fact that oj’s shooting percentage from three was no where near as good as the games coming into the playoff’s not the hundreds of other things that could have changed to maybe get us a win… No, let’s all crucify Rudy because the team gave him a contract that was quite large… You guys are forgetting that it was the teams choice for that contract, not Rudy’s… He didn’t hold out for it, he played basketball and was given it. Now you are saying he doesn’t deserve it, but you haven’t even given him a chance to earn it…. The first time the grizzlies were viable, he went down with an injury and couldn’t play, this past year he came off of a 10 month rehab where he couldn’t play basketball to come back to a no training camp season with a lot more games. So more likely, the reason he is unhappy is because jerkoffs like most of you are ready to crucify him for things that aren’t his fault even though he has given everything he has for this team…

    • nextNo Gravatar says:

      Year after year all you Rudy Gay fans can talk about is “wait till next year”….then its exactly what we saw the year before…and the year before….and the year before….etc. Just admit it! This is it!!! He’s not gonna get any better!!!!! What are you talking about “we don’t give him a chance”? He is been a starter for like 6 years!!! Stop treating him like an all-star which he is not! I’m not mad at him for taking the money….but the money at this point is hurting this team. We have 7mil in cap space….and 3 important free agents! + we still need a backup point and a 3point shooter! How are you gonna do this with 7 mil man? How are we gonna get better this way? Oh….I know Rudy will became an all-star…..where have I heard that?

  22. btrautscNo Gravatar says:

    I’ve been thinking a Kings scenario makes a lot of sense. Evans & the 5th pick could deliver a solid player from Barnes/ Robinson/ Beal…

    Evans is cheap but will need a new contract the following year. However, my fear is he is a terrible 3pt shooter *And* more crucially he is in OJ-mode, his production has fallen off every season since his rookie year…in every major category, which should be a concern.

    Batum is definitely on the way up and a good shooter/ great athlete – but his contract may balloon up from 11-15 Million this summer… who knows?

    The Bobcats are so miserable there is no tradeable asset on their team, save “possibly” Magettes soon to be expiring 10M contract.

    The addition of Kidd-Gilchrest or even Barnes + Batum would immediately create an incredibly athletic, good shooting backcourt to pair with Randolph and Gasol.

    • RfoxNo Gravatar says:

      Evans would have a year to see if he can take ‘the step’ to Rudy or better level. I agree he’s not the best help for outside shooting but he has a better handle and size than OJ and can play the 1 2 or 3 and create matchup issues. He ‘might’ be as good as Rudy and he ‘still has a chance to’ be a 20+ PER guy still and become a star. Call that 50% and 10% chance respectively. So that’s something.

      saving 13 mill or so on Rudy’s contract means we can: 1) sign a good small forward that can shoot from outside like Batum for a bit more than market price, 2) get another shooter/defender like Reddick on the FA market.

      that gives us a team as good as we have now but with more upside – which we need if we are going to get to the OKC level (which I would argue is the goal).

      Add in the draft pick at 5 and we can look for a good, young, cheap SF or SG (or even PG) with star potential. Again, upside and talent infusion.

      if we go with the proposed Charlotte/augistin trade we get a back-up PG but we upgrade (I guess) over the 5 pick and get a star quality guy at the SG or SF position. Hopefully a future ‘stud’, plus we can then use the Rudy savings to buy the complementary shooters and talent to fill in. if we draft MKG 2nd we’d go sign some shooters at shooting guard and hope for Dante and Pondexter to suffice. if we draft beal we go sign a Batum (overpay to get him away but still save over rudy) and don’t pay the luxury tax.

      If Wallace thinks that the 2 is going to be worth a lot more than the 5 then it makes sense I guess to go that route.

      who knows if anyone will make these trades of course :)

  23. AndyNo Gravatar says:

    Talk about a hot button issue.

    Trady Rudy to the Blazers for Batum and the 6th pick. Draft Damian Lillard, move him to the 2, and all of a sudden you have shooters and enough cap space to resign Mo or DA long term.

  24. SteveNo Gravatar says:

    you trade rudy, this team does nothing next year, just sayin…

  25. Elizabeth C CaswellNo Gravatar says:

    Rudy should stay with the Griz, if he wants. Why upset the makeup of our team? If anyone should go, in my opinion, it should be both Pargo and Selby, with those two vacancies, we could get two more good players, along with the 25th pick, and keep our team together. Then we would be very competitive.

  26. pooyajamesNo Gravatar says:

    c’mon guys! why u think its good to trade him? his a young player! he has a long way to go. im sure he become top10 in the leauge. im Rudy fan. and I dont want grizz trade him! cause i know grizz need gay to improve.

  27. HeathNo Gravatar says:

    I’m a Rudy Gay fan all the way, but the grizzlies need to do whats right for the organization. If the grizzlies could get tyreke evans and the 5th pick for Rudy Gay and some loose change, they definitely need to take that

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